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Welcome, it's now 04:59 (UTC) on Wednesday , July 30, 2014

Merddin page format[edit]

Keith

I may get a photo of Merddin on Saturday that I want to add to the page. Looking at it, each line ends with an 'edit' is this intentional? I guess I will just have to add a central picture below the text? as the format doesn't lend itself to anything else.

Chrisjones (talk) 23:30, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Director Lists[edit]

Keith

Thanks for your comments. My reasoning behind bringing all the FRCo. directors on to a common list was to convey the sense that in spite of the different motives of the current regieme as compared with the pre-1954 boards the continuity of the company as a corporate entity from 1832 is one of the heritage assets of the FR. Also I thought that the mix of company and society directors on the same listing, for which I was originally responsible, was a bit messy, although some people have been on both boards.

I accept that I have a lot more tidying up to do in terms of the links from individual pages, but at this stage I have not deleted any information from the existing lists of directors and I don't think that I would do so without some discussion.

You will have noticed that I have also changed the Festiniog Railway Company page, including transferring the unique features of the railway section to the Story Of The FR. The motive here is to try to convey the sense that the FR is now only a part of the FR Company's fiefdom, and that in a reference work such as the Festipedia it is necessary to be precise as to whether the Ffestiniog Railway or the Festiniog Railway Company are being referred to. The unique features, for example, with the exception of the statutory company one, all relate specifically to the FR.

I trust you can see my logic, and I accept that I have more to do in the long winter evenings ahead.

Regards,

Roy

Roy Cunningham (talk) 17:37, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I see you are updating the individual files. If you find there are other things missing from those files (like infoboxes - not full writeups!), please leave a note on the edit summary - I will try and sort --Keith (talk) 2009-11-14T18:05:42 (UTC)

Bodies Corporate[edit]

Hi Keith

I followed your link to the discussion on legal titles on Wikipedia. I am not surprised that there is so much confusion, but I believe that I have got hold of all the correct facts and recorded them on the appropriate Festipedia pages. For what it is worth I believe that there are six "bodies corporate" involved, one statutory company, one charitable trust and four limited liability companies.

At the top of the tree is the Festiniog Railway Trust, registered charity no. 239906. The Charity Commissioners also recognise the Cymraeg version Ymddiriedolaeth Rheilffordd Ffestiniog as a legitimate title. The trust has a controlling interest in the Festiniog Railway Company. It also wholly owns two subsidiary companies, Ffestiniog Railway Holdings Limited, which trades as Ffestiniog Travel and Ffestiniog Railway Heritage Limited.

The Festiniog Railway Company also wholly owns two subsidiaries. These are Welsh Highland Light Railway Limited and Welsh Highland Railway Construction Limited. These companies are responsible for financing, project managing and "signing off" the restoration of the Welsh Highland, and were created as I understand it, to ring fence from the core business any financial problems brought about by the restoration works.

On top ot these however we have the various trading names which the company uses for very good reasons and which generally also line up with names in common usage. These include "Rheilffordd Ffestiniog Railway", "Ffestiniog and Welsh Highland Railways", "Rheilffordd Eryri", "Welsh Highland Railway" and recently introduced, "Ffestiniog Railway Company". Many people still write "Festiniog Railway" and it is certailnly not "wrong". They are all legitimate trading names but none of them have any legal standing. The most useful of these as a generic term is "Ffestiniog and Welsh Highland Railways", which is a useful catch all term to describe the whole enterprise. As far as the discussion on Wikipedia was concerned this could well be the appropriate category name.

A final comment; the "Visit the ..." exhortation above the page title on every Festipedia page uses yet another version of the collective name!

Regards

Roy

Roy Cunningham (talk) 12:04, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

forgive removal of quotes in title - screws making a linkage to the part. Apart from that,fantastic - cheers. I have the same query to ACG, and so hopefully he can confirm this, whenever. The comment on the "Visit" has been passed on to Peter H. --Keith (talk) 2009-11-14T18:05:42 (UTC)

Phil Tucker[edit]

Keith, be careful who you put on here. Phil was made redundant late last year and is not a volunteer at present. It is a dangerous thing to try and keep the list of current employees up to date. Personally I do not think that just because one is an employee one should be put on a website that one has no control of. I think you should either remove them or ask Peter Harrison for his advice.

Chris

Accident Record - WHR[edit]

Keith

Thank you for finding some more information. However many of these records are not accidents. Can we remove those and just leave the real accidents on this page. The remainder such as hot boxes and assisting locos are just railway operation.

Thanks

Chris

Chrisjones (talk) 11:53, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Palmerston updating[edit]

Keith

Can we get back the original photo of Palmerston and put it back at the top of the article. Then it would push the writing down and not lead to the crunching of the text by the infopanel?

egards Chrisjones (talk) 11:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)