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Superbarns v supersaloons[edit]

Personally think the wording about superbarns now being known as super saloons that is appearing around the wiki is a bit clunky and also irrelevant. In everyday conversation around the railway they are generally referred to as superbarns. I suggest the wiki also refers to them as such in the same way we refer to barns, tin cars and carnforths (none of which are official names either). At the same time I think a sentence on this page saying something along the lines of "in press releases and other publications aimed at those unfamiliar with FR carriage parlance they are sometimes referred to as super-saloons" should be included. Eheaps (talk) 20:21, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Agree - Yes, I also believe that they should remain as Superbarns, as that seems to be common usage outside of official publications. In fact, I've never heard them referred to as super saloons outside of said official publications. I think that your suggestion would be sufficient. I think we do need more of a consensus though. RedDragon (Send me a telegram) 09:17, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree that we need to include mention of both terms and that they are synonymous, for the benefit of the general reader who might come across both terms. We certainly shouldn't attempt to rewrite history and change Superbarn to Super Saloon. I'll try and tidy it up, see what you think. George Cash (talk) 00:34, 11 July 2017 (UTC)


The intro to the article divides the subject into three sub-classes. But in the new Fleet Table there are first and second 'generations' of Barns and Superbarns. This seems rather confusing. If you wish to distinguish the sub-classes I suggest the following -


Later Barn


Superbarn (Panoramic)

Superbarn (Pullman)

Personally I don't see much difference in constructional style betwen the Barns and the Later Barns, but the thirty-year gap between them does make a distinction. The Superbarns are however a new generation. The panoramic windows do make a notable visual difference, and the Pullmans have a significant structural difference with the stainless-steel body framing as on the WHR carriages. What do you think?

I changed 'New' Barn to 'Later Barn' as they are not so new now. George Cash (talk) 15:06, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


I only ever categorised them as the five "generations" as it made the most sense when I was knocking up the fleet tables. The five categories seem good, and I'm open to suggestions on the names. I suppose:

  • Barns (original series)
  • Barns (later series),
  • Superbarns (original series)
  • Superbarns (later series)
  • Superbarns (Pullman)

may be alternatives (Later barn just doesn't seem right to me, and as you said, there is no major constructional difference between the original and new barns so calling it a later barn implies a difference).

Anyone else got any suggestions?

RedDragon (Send me a telegram) 15:39, 24 October 2019 (UTC)