Talk:Cei Mawr

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Just wondering, might this be easier to understand if we referred to the Up or Down ends? The terms North and South in particular are subject to different usages. I agree Bwlch y Plwm is at the north-west or Down end and I presume Catherine & Jane is the shaft at the south-eastern or Up end that we used to chuck dead sheep down. But in other places, where the FR pursues a southwesterly course as at Gwyndy Bank, north is Up and so on. Not everyone has the OS map open in front of them all the time. What does everyone think? PedrPnjarvis (talk) 16:24, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I would go compass directions, although this is dependant on "user" having a map to hand. Alternatively, and generally, using only the 3 terminii (Port, BFf, Caern) as directions. The idea of using "Up" and "Down" can lead to confusion - even amongst rail enthusiasts, so Joe Public has no chance!!! --Keith (talk) 18:48, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

The article is at best confusing, and probably just wrong, as currently written. Catherine & Jane Consols lead mine claims that it is to the north-east of Cei Mawr. This article claims that the siding for Catherine & Jane was at Leadmine Curve, which is at the north-west end of Cei Mawr. Thus it seems unlikely that Catherine & Jane is to the south or south-east of Cei Mawr, as suggested here and in the article. I wonder if the original author had their compass directions confused when they wrote the article. Perhaps Porthmadog or Blaenau ends should be used, rather than north and south? I believe The Railway has defined Blaenau as Up and Caernarfon as Down, so Up and Down could be used if adequately explained. (talk) 13:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Catherine & Jane Consols lead mine is indeed a little under half a mile north-east of Cei Mawr. User:Pnjarvis is wrong regarding the shaft he mentions. That is nothing to do with the mine. It is possible there was a siding to this mine from the south-east end of the embankment as the article says but I don't know any source for that and it seems odd. Everything I've found suggests that the siding, inasmuch as there was one, was at Leadmine Curve. The reference in Boyd says nothing about the location of the siding, nor does it say anything about the siding being replaced in the 1880s, although it is possible this information comes from elsewhere in Boyd. I also can't find any references outside Boyd to the Catherine & Jane Lead Mining Company. If there are references for this information they need to be added, but I suspect the article is incorrect. By the way, this article does not have a complete history - it dates back to the time the software we used only kept a partial history. I definitely didn't write the original version! --Peter Harrison (talk) 17:22, 7 May 2020 (UTC)