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Qwiki message[edit]

On template:Deviation Locator When using on a page I want title to be "Deviation Locator" rather than pagename tried a few options to no avail Help Please --Keith 21:18, 5 March 2007

Keith - I think I have sorted this. --Stewart 11:10, 6 March 2007

Image page name[edit]


found a pix title Image:P&p1871frith5118.jpg (5 links) by searching the "Most Linked to images"

However - presume the & is cusing problem as when I try to open it it just says filename="P"

Can we fined the 5 links and rename it accordingly?

Keith 16:12, 2 March 2007

Special Pages[edit]

On Special Pages - wht is definition of Long Pages and Short Pages?? cos some of the short seem longer than the long!!!

Keith 16:35, 2 March 2007

Testing section editing.

Picture sizes[edit]

Comment in W:The Den Q: R U saying me changing to 755px is wrong? I can see the logic in what you are saying Okay = will hold off further changes in this resepct - all previously done are limited to the Pictorial pages and base equivs at the moment. Can I just put forward this arguement - and request feedback

Unless users have the screen settings to larger than 1152x then there are going to be a considerable number of pictures that will need scroll right to see them whole. Setting at 755 (and I think this affected actually less than half as some are smaller) ensures any screen set at 1024px will get all the picture. Higher res will show an admittedly smaller pix, but if they want full size they can click thru to image page. Lower res will still need scroll. I see it as presenting a uniform / professional style??

As said - no problem with what your saying - just putting another point across Keith 01:02, 3 March 2007

Searching for Images[edit]

Peter - How do I search for the images I have previously uploaded to apply to appropriate copyright notice? Stewart 08:21, 3 March 2007

A manual search means that I think I have picked up all my images and tagged them. --Stewart 10:41, 6 March 2007

Talk Page Header[edit]

Thanks for this Peter - much easier than the Paste/Copy/Edit process. --Stewart 10:41, 6 March 2007

Wiki Test Pages[edit]

Kim and I have vacated this area and moved to personal sandbox usage -- 13:20, 19 April 2007 Keeps doing this on me - losing login - --Keith 13:27, 19 April 2007

Testing section editing --Peter_Harrison 21:39, 1 July 2007

Peter, I have created Template:ImageCaption, however it is still show the sub heading edit tags. Is there any way to surpress these. Look at one of Tim's pictures Image:05-04-03 1edit.JPG, or mine Image:122Comb-060103.jpg as an example. --Stewart 12:10, 22 April 2007

Peter - It might also be useful to incorporate the template into the upload process - but that is probably a future development to think about. --Stewart 12:31, 22 April 2007

FR Co. Pictures[edit]

On the pages I have culled from the old Company website, most of the pics I believe to be from Ian Butters, as an FR employee. However, given the situation in that area, I have never credited as such. This results in "Unknown Photographer". I have just changed 1 to show [[FR Co.]]. Comment please on the way to go on this (also posted to Pencefn id) --Keith 23:08, 21 May 2007

As a result Keith's message, I have adjusted the photographer ID to FR Company on the trial image Image:FRCo-Interactive 2002-03.jpg, and put a filter on this particular photographer ID on the template to point to Category:Photos from FR Company Library. Reply also posted to Peter. --Stewart 00:36, 22 May 2007

Editing Sections[edit]

In case you have forgot .....

If you try to edit a section on a page then that section is duly edited.... However - rest of page is deleted. Also if you use the + option at top of page - all you put in new appears - the rest disappears!!! --Keith

Possible adverse side-effect from recent update[edit]


As part of my ongoing work with the copyright status for images, I have added a test to Template:ImageCaption that puts the image in Category:Copyright status not provided. I have put some code into the template that piped the name of the photographer under the image instead of the filename. This evening (after the recent Wiki update) I noted that the filenames are now showing, although the images are in photographer order. Any thoughts? --Stewart 22:54, 3 August 2007

Not able to upload pictures[edit]


I have tried several times to upload a picture file but every time it takes me back to the upload page with the following message:-

File names must be at least one letter. (IN RED)

The filename is much more than i character and I have tried various different names to check it isn't me!

Chris Jones ~~----

Not able to upload pictures[edit]


I have tried several times to upload a picture file but every time it takes me back to the upload page with the following message:-

File names must be at least one letter. (IN RED)

The filename is much more than i character and I have tried various different names to check it isn't me!

Chris Jones Chrisjones 17:09, 9 October 2007

Not able to upload pictures[edit]


I have tried several times to upload a picture file but every time it takes me back to the upload page with the following message:-

File names must be at least one letter. (IN RED)

The filename is much more than i character and I have tried various different names to check it isn't me!

Chris Jones Chrisjones 17:10, 9 October 2007

Deletion proposed template[edit]

Peter, I applied the following template to two pages I created back in May 2007 which did not really work.

{{subst:Deletion proposed|Experiment that did not work out to produce template documentation following the Wikipedia example}}

However ever time I previewed the page the template repeated, although I could not work out why when I looked at the code. Thoughts? --Stewart (talk) 19:07, 14 December 2007

and why the template appear on Template:Cite book & Template:Template doc when I did not apply it; and it is not on the page history? The date on the template is also the viewing date. --Stewart (talk) 19:12, 14 December 2007

Image corruption[edit]

Hi Peter

Having finished updating the words on all the fairlies, I tried to get a copy of an image of Tal & WP that is on the double heading page. It was fine as a thumbnail, but when you expand it, it is corrupted with the contents from the home page on the left side. Whenever you press anything you go back to the home page.

I rechecked this on the double heading page and found the same problem (with all the additional photos)

I tried uploading the file again from my computer and the wiki surprised me by putting the same corruption on my new image as I uploaded it!

Frustrated of Thorpeness

P.S. I have since found this happens on ANY photograph when you double click on it to enlarge it to full size

Chrisjones (talk) 23:25, 11 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Image corruption[edit]

Sorry Peter - I checked at work yesterday and, as you suggested, found no problem. I havn't been able to check again at homeChrisjones (talk) 08:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Checking at home - I still get the same thing og the contents and roundal appearing 'over' the photograph when I maximise it - this is on my laptop with OS 9.2. Will try with OS10 tonightChrisjones (talk) 11:47, 13 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Image corruption?[edit]

No Peter - still on OS9.2 at present and Internet Explorer

Chrisjones (talk) 10:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


When this wiki was running Usemod, did you have WikiWords enabled, or was that functionality disabled? WikiWords look LikeThis. Dagoth Ur, Mad God (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


On Festipedia talk:About, you mentioned, quoting said page, "If someone really wants the software, they can get it from me". Does that mean you can give them the source code from the "" file on request? NOTE: Do not get angry. This is not a repeat of User_talk:Dagoth_Ur,_Mad_God#Moving_Festipedia. Dagoth Ur, Mad God (talk) 09:10, 1 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

not able to upload a photo[edit]

Hi Peter

I got the following error:-

Software error:

CGI open of tmpfile: Permission denied

Chrisjones (talk) 00:15, 11 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Help Pages[edit]

Can I use them at the V.F.D. Wiki? It uses the GFDL. Dagoth Ur, Mad God (talk) 00:17, 13 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wow thank you so much for that information!!

I would very much like to purchase the journal for £2. Would you be able to send me a link to where I can purchase it from?

Thanks loads!!

Rbutler (talk) 11:36, 5 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Peter

I see new usernames which are not the persons name. Do we have a policy that says 'no nicknames' ? If not, should we?

Chrisjones (talk) 15:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

More inteligent RSS[edit]

This is one for the future, but would it be possible to have the RSS feed not flag any vandalism that is undone?

I think the mechanism would be that if a version is reverted, then both the change and the revert are not placed in the RSS feed.

Edward Harris (talk) 14:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keith's account[edit]

Should Keith's account be desysopped and blocked now that he's dead? (talk) 03:15, 18 November 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keith wasn't an administrator. My current view is that it somehow feels disrespectful to block the account but I will do so if it gets hacked. Peter Harrison (talk) 11:59, 18 November 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

William Williams[edit]

Hi Pete

Is it possible for you to change William Williams (1836) to William Williams (1835)?

I now have his wedding certificate and obituary which both agree that he would have been born in 1835.


Chrisjones (talk) 13:49, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Username change[edit]

I see according to Special:Version that the rename user extension is installed. I would like to have my username changed to FokkerTISM, as I have stopped using the Dagoth Ur, Mad God name on other sites. Dagoth Ur, Mad God (talk) 05:41, 30 June 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks. FokkerTISM (talk) 06:28, 27 July 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Stationmasters & Locomotive Superintendents[edit]


I'd like to create a page for FR Loco Superintendents, but having looked at FR Station Masters I notice this isn't linked into a higher category of say pre-preservation officials? What do you suggest is the right solution (and how do I do it!)

Chrisjones (talk) 14:25, 15 February 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pre-preservation officials[edit]

I dont yet understand what I am doing Pete.

I did as you said but I have ended up with something isnt a page entitles as above, but is a Category? and then another title line beneath?

What I was hoping to create was a hierarchy of

FR Personalities

                       Pre-preservation officials
                                                              FR Stationmasters(Jims page)
                                                              FR Locomotive Superintendents

Chrisjones (talk) 10:37, 17 February 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WHR locomotives page[edit]

Hi Pete I see someone has changed the words on the page without updating the link with the new words.

Chrisjones (talk) 17:56, 15 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Further vandalism[edit]

Hi Peter,

We've had a couple more nonsense articles added today: Take a look at face it, foot and HBO kickboxing is a few interesting which I've blanked. Can you delete them? Thanks, Dan Crow (talk) 21:09, 14 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]



We have a new contributor (above) who has is starting new building pages including a new page on Coed Y Bleiddiau. He doesn't seem to see that he is duplicating what is already there and in a less detailed way. Any idea of who this is?



A barnstar for you![edit]

The Special Barnstar
Thanks for helping new users start well on Festipedia, and for your patience! RedDragon (talk) 15:08, 17 January 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Carriage 119 (2014)'s fate[edit]

The 2 weeks on the proposed deletion tag has passed. Please make a judgement.

RedDragon (talk) 09:18, 1 February 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Spam by[edit]

I would like to request a block on IPs in the range as we are getting quite a lot of spam from this IP. RedDragon (talk) 13:26, 9 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

National Library of Wales - Citation Problem.[edit]

Please have another look at Festipedia:Defect reports#Citation Problem from National Library of Wales to Wikis. FarleyBrook (talk) 12:16, 17 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think that I have figured out the cite problem, and have sent it to the National Library of Wales... ... ... FarleyBrook (talk) 09:51, 20 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Princess - mildly vandalised![edit]


Some stupidities put on the Princess page . I will correct, but leave it to you if you want to ban the id that created them

He? has also had a go at several other pages which I have changed back


Chrisjones (talk) 22:19, 15 August 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The person who vandalised LG and England engine pages is back under another ID[edit]

I will de-edit the two pages so far

Chrisjones (talk) 18:07, 1 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And it has happened again by the same person under another ID! - All changes now reverted back

Chrisjones (talk) 20:17, 1 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please block new number as well![edit]

He is using another number now beginning with 65. Latest attack about 5 mins ago

Chrisjones (talk) 21:06, 1 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]


User keeps on putting erroneous lengths in for locomotives and trying to put in a fuel for those which are no longer with us or are never going to run again. Do you know who it is? Others and myself keep having to correct their changes

Chrisjones (talk) 19:39, 26 November 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have blocked him but he will probably pop up under a different ID. Heritagejim (talk) 20:08, 26 November 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think I have put the pages all back to as they should be. Someone might like to check Heritagejim (talk) 20:18, 26 November 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Stupid updates to the loco information[edit]

Peter Can you revert the updates done by one IP address tonight to most of the locomotives and ban the ID. There are too many to do individually Chrisjones (talk) 22:31, 13 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Page moves[edit]

Hi Peter

Would you be able to move the page Aberglaslyn (Old WHR) to Aberglaslyn Pass. The first page is about the Aberglaslyn pass whilst the second is a stub with no content. The current duplication is daft and the title of the first page is now irrelevant (I guess it was written prior to the WHR rebuild).

Also I previously nominated the redirect page No. 9 for deletion to make way for the Castell Cidwm locomotive article to be moved there (to reflect its official rule book identity). Would you be able to make that move too?


Eheaps (talk) 17:01, 10 August 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Changes made as requested. --Peter Harrison (talk) 22:46, 10 August 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks Peter! Eheaps (talk) 06:45, 11 August 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Search broken[edit]

The search function seems to be broken, if you type something that isn't a page title in to search it generates an error message. Eheaps (talk) 18:51, 16 November 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for letting me know. It seems one of the services used in search failed to restart after the recent power outage. It is working now. --Peter Harrison (talk) 19:48, 16 November 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply][edit]

He was Septimus EDWARD Tyrwhitt - can you amend his two headings (he's under S C and Septimus C), please?

I've started to overhaul his entry (Boyd really should be deleted as a source on this) but there's not much point until his name is correctly shown in the heading.

Thanks for correcting the Frederick Vaughan entry promptly!RichardMaund (talk) 13:04, 26 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've moved the page (you should actually be able to do that yourself) and changed the S C page to redirect to Septimus E. I have not corrected references to Septimus C on other pages. --Peter Harrison (talk) 13:58, 26 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]



After a gap of three years I am back onto the FR Buildings as I am working with Eileen and Alan Norton on the Gweithdy project.

I am setting up the Miffordd Station Buildings and somfar so good. However, because some off the entries are so long and because they are centred vertically, those entries that are short are way down in their cells and I want to bring them up to the the top.

How do do this? Does the code xxxxx centre the entries vertically?


Peter (Napier)

To centre vertically you need to put the appropriate style on the row. The row starts with |- change this to |- style="vertical-align:middle;" --Peter Harrison (talk) 13:43, 6 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thank you. I am not sure I understand and I have tried to do this but with no success.

This is the row that Iwould like to get up to the top


The 42 is vertically centred and I want it to appear at the top of the column.

Sorry - I misread your initial post. To bring the 42 to the top of the cell you need to change |<small>42</small> to |style="vertical-align:top;"|<small>42</small>. Alternatively you can change the alignment for the whole row by making the change in my previous example but changing "middle" to "top". I am not clear why you have the "Operational" column formatted as superscript instead of small. You currently have a blank row between each row of the table with data. Is that intentional? Also the table was not terminated correctly. I've fixed that. --Peter Harrison (talk) 16:02, 6 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Have you cnaged something as I have a message nor=tifying me of a change but I can't see the effects? IE No 42 is still vertically centred?


Please do not create a new section on this page every time you reply. It is unnecessary and makes it harder to follow the conversation. As per my last post, I have changed the table so that it is now terminated correctly with |} - previously it finished with | which is incorrect. I have not made any other changes. --Peter Harrison (talk) 16:12, 6 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]



I have changed the superscript to small.

I didnt know that I had a blank row between each row of the table and when reviewing the outcome I don't see this.

I do not know what I am doing wrong but I still cannot get the 42 to the top of the column. At the moment I have |42

You say insert |style="vertical-align:top;"|<small>42</small> in its place but this doesnt work. In my editing page I don't see anything like |style=. Are these hidden?

Please would you show me exactly the line that I need to insert to replace |42 or explain what I am doing wrong.


DO NOT create a new section on this page every time you reply. I have again removed the heading you inserted. If you want to reply, instead of clicking on "New section" at the top of the page, click on "edit" or "edit source" next to the "Formatting" heading.

|You won't find |style- on the editing page. You need to copy the text exactly as you see it above. The code and nowiki tags are to make sure the text displays correctly above. You don't need them on your page. Simply highlight the text on this page then copy it into the edit box on your page. I have done that for the 42 to demonstrate. I have also removed the blank rows. --Peter Harrison (talk) 16:43, 6 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]



Many thanks. I can now get on with what I was doing. Thanks.


Citation links[edit]

Hi Peter

Festipedia used to be like Wikipedia in that when hovering over a citation number in square brackets a little preview of the citation popped up and that clicking on it took you to the foot of the page with the relevant citation highlighted. This seems to have stopped working. I always found this quite useful, could it be reinstated?



Eheaps (talk) 12:29, 3 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Ed
Looks like an update to the Reference Tooltips gadget broke it. I've backed out the change for the moment.--Peter Harrison (talk) 13:10, 3 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Peter, as far as I can tell this hasn't completely fixed the problem. It does seem to work when the reference tag has as name included, but not otherwise. Ed Eheaps (talk) 17:26, 3 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've undone some more edits to gadgets. Hopefully this is now working. --Peter Harrison (talk) 19:03, 3 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It still doesn't seem to work properly for me. I'll try again tomorrow in case my computer is being slow to catch up. Ed - Eheaps (talk) 20:07, 3 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If you are still having a problem try CTRL+F5. If it still doesn't clear, please post a link to a page that demonstrates the problem and I will try to investigate. --Peter Harrison (talk) 22:55, 3 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Still doesn't seem to work. I've tried on my home and work PCs using Firefox and internet explorer. A good example is Earl of Merioneth II where it works for cite note 2 (which has 3 references) but not any of the others. Ed - Eheaps (talk) 08:20, 4 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Got it. This is a MediaWiki defect that was fixed a while ago. However, the fix doesn't automatically apply to pages that have been affected. If you edit an affected page or purge it that should clear the problem. I've just purged Earl of Merioneth II and that now seems to be working correctly. --Peter Harrison (talk) 08:56, 4 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It still doesn't seem to work properly on all pages I tried. Again I have tried different browsers, logging out and back in, clearing cache etc. Ed - Eheaps (talk) 10:59, 4 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You need to purge the page which is something you do on Festipedia. I forgot this option isn't available by default. The simplest way to sort this out is to go to your preferences on Festipedia, click on the Gadgets tab, tick "Add a Purge option to the top of the page" (third item in the Appearance section) then click Save. You should then get a Purge option under More near the View History button. If you select that it clears Festipedia's cached version of the page which should fix the problem. --Peter Harrison (talk) 11:50, 4 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There is an outstanding problem in that it only seems to work when you are logged in. The relevant gadget is on by default so it should work for all users. Not sure why it isn't but it looks like a MediaWiki defect. Everything is set up correctly but it isn't sending the relevant script to the browser. Very strange. If I can figure out what is wrong I'll fix it! --Peter Harrison (talk) 09:12, 5 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's still not working for me, even after purging the page. As you say there seems to be something strange going on. It would be interesting to know whether it is working for other users or not. Ed - Eheaps (talk) 11:06, 5 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The EofM page is working fine for me when I'm logged on. Is that working for you? If it is, can you point me at another page that isn't working and I'll take a look. -- (talk) 11:21, 5 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

EoM II still isn't working. I tried turning off the tooltips gadget and found that clicking on the citation number took you to the bottom of the page (with relevant citation highlighted) for citation 2 (the one with a name and multiple references) but not for the others. Turning the tooltips back on was as before, where the tooltip appeared for 2 but none of the others. This suggests to me it might be to do with something other than the tooltips gadget. Ed - Eheaps (talk) 11:40, 5 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok, I've found the problem. There is an incompatibility between the HTML being output for the references section and that expected by the gadget. The gadget's expectations are correct - the HTML is wrong. The problem seems to be a defect within the version of MediaWiki we are currently using so it should resolve itself when the next major version is released. I'm afraid I think we'll have to live with it until then. Sorry --Peter Harrison (talk) 21:10, 6 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No worries, at least we know why it isn't working now. Thanks for your effort looking into the problem. Ed - Eheaps (talk) 08:07, 7 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cite menu of editor[edit]


I've also just noticed that the cite menu in the editor has disappeared. This gave access to the cite templates (cite journal etc.) where you could fill in the various fields in a form in order to generate the required code - an invaluable feature! It would be great if the menu could be reinstated. It would also be good if the Festipedia specific templates for FRM, IM, WHHJ etc. could be included as fillable forms in the same menu.

Regards, Ed - Eheaps (talk) 18:27, 3 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The cite menu is now working. I'll look at sorting out the additional templates when I get a chance - that will be a bit more complicated. --Peter Harrison (talk) 19:04, 3 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is now working, thanks very much. Ed - Eheaps (talk) 20:07, 3 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Peter, The cite menu seems to have disappeared again. Ed - Eheaps (talk) 17:21, 3 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fixed again (I hope!) --Peter Harrison (talk) 18:48, 3 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's working again. Thanks for fixing it. Ed - Eheaps (talk) 20:45, 3 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New user[edit]

James Hoyle (User:JamesH125) has just signed up as user here. His main reason for signing up was to contribute some more of his excellent photos (in the past I have uploaded some for him). Would it be possible to put him on the autoconfirmed user list so he can get access to the uploader. Thanks, Ed - Eheaps (talk) 20:22, 16 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm afraid there is no easy way to do this. MediaWiki doesn't allow me mark an individual user as autoconfirmed and there doesn't appear to be an extension I can install that gives me that ability. He needs to make 10 edits (these can be to his user page - he's got 3 edits so far) and wait until 4 days after he registered. He will then be autoconfirmed --Peter Harrison (talk) 09:02, 17 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the reply. At least it's not too much effort to get autoconfirmed. Ed - Eheaps (talk) 11:42, 17 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User boxes[edit]

Hi Peter,

Thanks for sorting out user boxes. I came across them whilst looking at Keith's user page. I've created several that all users might find useful. I think I may have messed up the wikitext meaning that all pages where the userboxes are present get added to the "userboxes" category (but I can't see where I went wrong :/). I'm not quite satisfied with the WHRS and FRHG boxes but I can't get hold of their logos so it's something I'll have to put up with...

Regards, RedDragon (Send me a telegram) 17:10, 2 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi. I've fixed the issue for you. There were two problems. Some pages had a <noinclude> tag before the category link but no closing </noinclude> tag after the category. On others, where the template has a documentation page the categories for the template belong on the documentation page enclosed by includeonly tags rather than on the template page itself. The FRHG logo is available at File:Hglogo.gif - --Peter Harrison (talk) 18:02, 2 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Peter

A user called Sapphire seems to want to delete a number of items including the FR Stationmaster page? This is not a helpful attitude, and lacks understanding of why some things are there!


Chris Jones

Thanks Chris. I have removed the speedy deletion templates and posted a message on Sapphire's talk page --Peter Harrison (talk) 14:55, 11 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Peter,

        Thanks for your action regarding Sapphire et al. As you prtobably realise the FR Station Masters list was written without real thought for Festipedia. References are either from FR staff records or census returns. It would be a lot of work to do as suggested, maybe impossible in some cases. Anyway, as I indicated, some of it is speculation anyway.
        Heritagejim (talk) 17:26, 11 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Error 403[edit]

Hi Peter

I keep getting 403 - Forbidden errors blocking me from both Festipedia and the main Heritage Group site. It seems to occur after I try and do anything with categories. After I wait a bit it lets me back in and continues working until I try and use categories again.

Ed - Eheaps (talk) 19:29, 21 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Ed

I was seeing the same thing. The protection against Denial of Service attacks was triggering far too often. It should be ok no.

Peter --Peter Harrison (talk) 19:51, 21 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Broken citations templates[edit]

Hi Peter, something has broken the predefined book citation templates as listed at Category:Rail_transport_book_citation_templates. Ed - Eheaps (talk) 17:28, 9 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Ed. Thanks for telling me. I've fixed it. I had updated the underlying Lua module to the latest version but hadn't spotted that it assumes it is in a Wikipedia environment with Wikibase and Wikidata available. Removed that assumption and all is now fine --Peter Harrison (talk) 17:45, 9 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Peter,

Please could you delete the redirect page Ben so I can move Hunslet 9262 to Ben to match Bill?

RedDragon (Send me a telegram) 14:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Image copyright tag[edit]

Is CC BY-NC-ND 2.0 an acceptable copyright to use on Festipedia? The text below is the license text.

You are free to: Share — copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format The licensor cannot revoke these freedoms as long as you follow the license terms. Under the following terms: Attribution — You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your use. NonCommercial — You may not use the material for commercial purposes. NoDerivatives — If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you may not distribute the modified material. No additional restrictions — You may not apply legal terms or technological measures that legally restrict others from doing anything the license permits.

RedDragon (Send me a telegram) 11:25, 1 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That license is not allowed on Wikipedia, apparently due to the ban on commercial use and the no derivatives clause. We allow more restrictive licenses than Wikipedia so could include this one if you think it would be useful. --Peter Harrison (talk) 12:05, 1 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi! --WikiEditor (talk) 15:55, 18 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello --Peter Harrison (talk) 23:38, 18 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mountaineer 1863 project[edit]

Hi Pete

You could bring this up to date by saying the project was launched at Warley?


Chris Chrisjones (talk) 09:44, 1 December 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No problem. --Peter Harrison (talk) 10:49, 1 December 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Peter

I dont know how to put references in, but I have put a reference in typing, into Livingston Thompson, for "Little Giants"


Chris Chrisjones (talk) 14:44, 3 December 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Was there a specific bit of the text the reference goes with? If so I can sort it out for you.
Ed - Eheaps (talk) 18:00, 3 December 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ed, Against the sentence that ends with LT going into service in June 1886, Little Giants page 284 Regards Chris Chrisjones (talk) 19:11, 3 December 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think Ed and I between us have sorted this --Peter Harrison (talk) 19:27, 3 December 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

William Cunningham[edit]

Hi Peter Please can you change the file page for this fitter from F.Cunningham to W.Cunningham. This will then tie up with his name and with my change to Boyd 26H Chrisjones (talk) 20:29, 8 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Chris - I've done this --Peter Harrison (talk) 21:16, 8 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Locomotives, Proposals 1861[edit]

Hi Peter Can you change the title of this page to the correct date of 1862? Regards Chris Chrisjones (talk) 11:58, 3 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done --Peter Harrison (talk) 12:41, 3 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Broken Commons images[edit]

Hi Peter, For some reason using images from Wikimedia commons inside a mode=packed type gallery seems to have stopped working. See the gallery on the K1 page as an example. Using commons images elsewhere still seems to work though. Any ideas why this might be? Ed - Eheaps (talk) 22:45, 22 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Ed. Thanks for reporting this. Looks like a defect in MediaWiki. I'll report it --Peter Harrison (talk) 13:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Filter "User Creation" from Recent Changes (and RSS)[edit]

Hello, do you have a suggestion of how I might set the filters on the Special:RecentChanges page to exclude the "user creation log" entries?


Edward Harris (talk) 10:26, 27 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm afraid you can't exclude just those entries but there are a couple ways of excluding them along with some other stuff. You can exclude all log entries by selecting page edits and page creations in the type of change. This will also exclude other logs such as pages being moved. Alternatively, you can select namespaces and exclude the User namespace. That will exclude the user creation log entries but will also exclude any other changes to user pages, although you can still see the changes to User talk pages which are likely to be more significant. As there aren't many changes to user pages I would go for the second option. --Peter Harrison (talk) 10:37, 27 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That seems to have done the trick, thanks. Edward Harris (talk) 11:50, 27 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I find using the "group results by page" option gives the recent changes a cleaner look. It also groups all the user creation entries into a a single item such that they are less prominent. Ed - Eheaps (talk) 13:11, 27 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Featured picture of the month, March 2020[edit]

Dear Peter,

I think a small edit is required to indicate the picture is of Carriage 26's old roof sections lying in Minffordd yard after the rebuild. MarkTemple (talk) 07:41, 1 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Moving a Page[edit]

Dear Peter, I have made a stupid spelling mistake in the title of my new "Caernarfon Port" page. Can you correct it? MarkTemple (talk) 13:10, 18 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. You should be able to move pages yourself --Peter Harrison (talk) 13:34, 18 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Slate Quarries[edit]

Dear Peter,

How do you like the idea of adding a row to the "User Friendly Contents" for slate quarries. There are lots of Festipedia pages for quarries that fed the FR and a suitable sub-contents page exists: "Quarries Served By The Festiniog Railway"

For the WHR quarries I cannot find any suitable quarry pages in Festipedia but there are the following pages in wikipedia: Cilgwyn & Dorothea.

For other quarries likely to be of interest to narrow gauge enthusiasts there are wikipedia articles for: Penrhyn, Dinorwic and Pen yr Orsedd

My idea is that new "Slate quarry" row should should be near the top of the user friendly index - in line with the idea that there were quarries - railways - ports & shipping with slate flowing from top to bottom.

What do you think? MarkTemple (talk) 15:01, 31 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Mark. Sounds good to me. Go for it. --Peter Harrison (talk) 17:19, 31 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for your help[edit]

Thanks for explaining the rules. I have actually been a registered user of Festipedia for some years but today my login did not work so I had to make a new user account. The previous account was 'Barrie Hughes' and I made several edits under my previous account name.

Welsh Pony picture credit[edit]

Hi Peter

I took a screen grab of a photo of WP to put on its page, and as I took the screen grab, for the sake of convenience I put myself as the originator. That photo came from the facebook source Ffestiniog & Welsh Highland Railways so I guess is Chris Parry. Could you change the accreditation please ? It now appears prominently on the monthly picture which is wrong.


Chrisjones (talk) 22:17, 1 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Chris,
I've changed it to Chris Parry. --Peter Harrison (talk) 22:36, 1 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ship of Theseus[edit]

Hi Peter

I see this article and struggle to understand its presence in our database. The database is for facts not exercises of the mind!

Chrisjones (talk) 21:57, 15 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Chris. It is a little tenuous (and I hadn't heard of Ship of Theseus before) but I can see what Borth is getting at. Are there any original components in Merddin, for example? If not, is it still Merddin? Wikipedia has a decent article about this. Borth is a new user and I don't want to discourage him/her by summarily deleting this page. I suggest you add {{subst:Deletion proposed|reason}} at the head of the page, replacing the word "reason" with your reasons for proposing deletion. That gives Borth (and other users) two weeks to improve the article and make it relevant. If that doesn't happen it will be deleted (eventually!) --Peter Harrison (talk) 22:33, 15 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ship of Theseus[edit]

Hi Peter

You said you would delete this?


Done. I don't check the articles proposed for deletion all that regularly but they do get dealt with eventually. --Peter Harrison (talk) 16:11, 10 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please undelete this. Borth (talk) 07:42, 25 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You can recreate it if you wish. It was deleted because the link to the FR/WHR is somewhat tenuous and no-one objected to the deletion proposal. If it is restored I suspect it may be proposed for deletion again. Yes, some historic artefacts contain little or no original material but the term is not currently used within Festipedia nor have I come across people on the railway using the term. There is a much better article on the subject on Wikipedia which could be linked where appropriate. But, if you want to recreate the article and make it more relevant to the FR/WHR, feel free to do so --Peter Harrison (talk) 14:21, 25 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Anonymous Edits[edit]

Should anonymous edits be allowed? Given the rather niche nature of the Festipedia subject, most of the possible contributors are probably already registered, and sign up isn't that onerous. It might cut down on some of the spam too.

Edward Harris (talk) 10:00, 28 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Anonymous editors aren't really causing problems for us. We've had 16 anonymous edits in the last 30 days, all of which appear to be constructive. Almost all of the spam and other troublesome edits come from registered users. --Peter Harrison (talk) 10:21, 28 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was more thinking of traceability and identification. The edit on the Catchpole page seems to have come from Israel, which I doubt, and the change comment says "deleted last sentence as incorrect", but not knowing who it is, gives little chance of validating that. Edward Harris (talk) 14:42, 28 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Carriage 101/123[edit]

Carriage 123 is being renumbered back to 101 (rule book amendments just out). Can you delete the existing Carriage 101 redirect page to make way for moving the 123 article back to that name please?

Thanks, Ed Eheaps (talk) 16:44, 29 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done --Peter Harrison (talk) 17:03, 29 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Website Problems[edit]

Having issues logging in, think I’ve used an old email I no longer use hence this message as I can’t get a reset password option. I’d hate to have to make a new account just to upload some more photos.

Kind Regards

JamesH125 (James Hoyle)

Hi James. Can you send an email to so that I've got your current email address please. I should then be able to fix it for you. --Peter Harrison (talk) 19:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rename file[edit]

Hi Peter, I just uploaded File:No 22 post-rebuild.JPG but sit should be No 20. Can you rename it please? Thanks, Ed - Eheaps (talk) 16:06, 24 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done --Peter Harrison (talk) 17:30, 25 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Peter, It looks like one of the recent code updates has made navigation boxes end up taking up 1 line per list item instead of having multiple items per line. Could you take a look and advise if each navbox needs editing or whether there's a fix you can do to sort them all out. Cheers, Ed - Eheaps (talk) 20:33, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Ed. All fixed. The problem was caused by moving some styles out of common.css and into template styles. I hadn't caught the fact that this didn't just affect the hlist template. --Peter Harrison (talk) 22:58, 18 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the fix! Ed - Eheaps (talk) 09:37, 19 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Permission to use an image[edit]

Thank You! I will.

Best regards,



Every time I try to edit something or submit an edit I get an error consisting of a long string of numbers followed by "Fatal exception of type "DomainException"". Refreshing the page will then let me to what I originally wanted. I know another user has had the same issue too. I'm using Firefox if that's a useful piece of info. Ed - Eheaps (talk) 17:17, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Ed. I doubt it is anything to do with Firefox. I've turned on an option that should give more information when an exception happens. It should now give a message and a stack trace. Next time you see this, can you let me have the full details please. --Peter Harrison (talk) 19:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Here's the full error:

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Eheaps (talk) 20:40, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks Ed. Should be fixed now. Can you try again and let me know please. Thanks --Peter Harrison (talk) 21:49, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Seems to be fixed now, thanks. Ed - Eheaps (talk) 22:03, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ffestiniog Loading Gauge[edit]

Thank you so very much for this diagramme Peter, it is vital to work currently being undertaken to design an electric locomotive and passenger cars for a proposed two foot gauge line between Dolgellau and Blaina Festiniog via Bala. When they come through I can post the vehicle renderings on here if it is of interest? Best regards, Gareth

Yes, you certainly can. --Peter Harrison (talk) 17:34, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello Peter,
Hope you arw well... I was wondering is there a very good dimensionned drawing of the double fairley locomotive on line?
Kind regards,
Gareth (talk) 12:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There probably is but I'm afraid I'm not the right person to ask. Sorry. Peter Harrison (talk) 15:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The loading guage is now an AutoCAD file and if anyone wants a copy of it then let me know and I will send it to you. Applying this to the cross section of the Superbarn carriages it seems the car outline does not entirely comply with the loading guage. What would be wonderful is to have all the construction drawings for the superbarns digitized and availible for study amd use.